but we don't want to fund obama care. it's a powerful case we can make to the american people that the law is not being implemented as barack obama said it would. people are having their hours cut, losing their jobs, they might lose their doctors, insurance premiums are going up. we can stop that if we defund the law. if we make the case and make it over august and into september, we can achieve real victories. >> you would see the government shut down if you fail, if the president were to veto any such legislation. probably would not even get to his desk because it certainly wouldn't pass the senate where the democrats have the majority. >> mike lee said i made a huge mistake after the election saying we need a plan b. i made a mistake. we passed our tax extenders for everybody in august, i should have said, okay, harry reid, okay, president obama what's your plan. they've been down the road once before and realize th. >> you don't have the votes in the senate, right? >> i don't think anybody knows what's possible in the